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Post by Zoom Waffles on Sept 26, 2008 22:54:37 GMT -5
This thread is not intended to spark political debate. I'm just curious. It often seems like hockey fans lean toward the conservative side a bit, at least in the US.
If you're Canadian, feel free to vote as well.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Sept 27, 2008 16:13:38 GMT -5
I'm actually a big supporter of Senator Obama and fully intend on voting for him.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Oct 1, 2008 17:51:44 GMT -5
bump
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Post by Shredded Red on Oct 2, 2008 16:15:54 GMT -5
I think considering the "poop" storm that has been hurled Obama's way since he announced his bid for the Presidency he's been the stand out for my vote. In most cases I don't ever vote based on party, and I'd actually be happy with either McCain or Obama, but I think Obama would be the best President right now. He may not be the best candidate ever, but I think he's the type of person we need as a President after Bush's 8 year stumble down a Patriotic stair well.
I think the fact that so many are afraid he's Islamic, Muslim or whatever may actually have it's positives. For one, I think people who inherently think Muslims are evil are close minded and ignorant, and I think that's how a lot of Muslims view Americans. But I think if Obama were to become President it would be hard for Muslim countries to point at us and say we hate Muslims. I don't believe the Obama is Muslim, but he certainly has some ties and history with the nation of Islam. Islamic extremist will always hate Americans, and they're just as naive and ignorant as those who hate Muslims, but there are always those who are on the fence, those who live in Muslim nations who don't inherently believe we're bad people, but live in a world that tells them we are. If we were to vote a black man named Barrack Hussein Obama who may or may not have ties to Islam it would be hard for those people to believe we hate Muslims.
It doesn't solve the war on terror, but with all of this talks about "winning the hearts and minds" of these people so far we've done a poor job and have in fact warped the hearts and minds of the people in this country and in the world community as well. I don't like everything the Obama stands for, but I think he stands for things that will lead us in a better direction.
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Post by Webfoot on Oct 2, 2008 18:47:48 GMT -5
Obama, and not just because I was very impressed with Shredded's response. Hockey Mom or not, Sarah Palin is NOT the person I want in such a responsible position!
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Oct 2, 2008 21:59:02 GMT -5
I was a big John Edwards supporter back in 04 (the first election i could vote in). I've always voted primarily on the basis of how candidates stand on the issues with which I am most concerned at that point in my life. In '04 it was affordable higher education, environmentalism, marriage equality, and the war in Iraq. Edwards was my guy for that stuff.
When this election began way back last summer ('07), I was instinctively drawn to Joe Biden. I thought the delivery of his speeches and his performance in the debates was fantastic. Then he started talking about his thoughts on Iraq and I gave up on him. I then moved to John Edwards and supported him for a whole month before he dropped out of the race.
By the time the primaries came to NY (where I was living at the time), it was down to Hillary and Barack. I had always despised Clinton, but strongly believed that Obama was too inexperienced for the job, especially in foreign affairs. I was about a week away from voting for Hillary when my roommates (and a tremendous speech) convinced me that Barack was the right guy.
Since then I've stuck by him. Currently I find myself most concerned with student loan forgiveness (go figure), public health care (I'm currently not insured... yikes), and the exit strategy for Iraq. And I agree with Obama on most of that stuff. I consider myself a socialist, without hesitation. In my opinion, socialism is forced philanthrophy, and philanthropy should be forced upon some of the more greedy citizens of this country.
Man, that was long-winded.
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Post by Dethrij on Oct 3, 2008 8:43:37 GMT -5
I Hate Obama and his liberal views, and i fully intended on voting for McCain. I DO NOT want to debate on this.
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Post by Shredded Red on Oct 3, 2008 16:36:00 GMT -5
Zoom, I don't think it's worth while to give a political opinion without it being informative. I agree with your response. Simply saying "I just don't like him" isn't enough, so nicely put.
I'm not against McCain, I just prefer Obama. Before the last election we had to do an assignment on covering political speechs in my journalism class and they played the audio of a speech from one of the conventions without telling us who it was to prevent bias. At the time he was relatively unknown, but the speech they played was Obama's keynote speech from the democratic convention. I've been a huge fan of him since then because inexperienced or not, he's visionary, intellegent, and very diverse and at this point in our country's history I think that's more important that experience because being open minded leads to better experience than someone who is set in their ways because of past success. Obama is the only person who was running in this election who would have taken my vote from McCain, and that's exactly whats happened.
However, it hasn't helped that McCain chose Palin as his running mate. At first I liked her but now I think she's about as fake as a beer spokes-girl, and fills exactly that role as McCain's running mate. She's attractive and she's there to add diversity to the ticket, and to steal the female voters who were hoping for Hilary Clinton. Except she's not Hilary Clinton, she's actually less for womens rights than Clinton. She's fake as can be, and she delivers that "hockey mom" sitting around the kitchen table in middle American drivel at every chance she gets. And she brags about what she's done in Alaska like it actually matters. I'm sure she's got her credentials up there, but being able to "see Russia on a clear day" doesn't make her state any more special than Michigan, where we can see Canada on a rainy day. Inexperience aside (because as I mentioned before I don't think it's that relevant) I don't like what she stands for because I don't think she really stands for anything aside from trying to be as appealing as possible.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Oct 3, 2008 22:34:36 GMT -5
I heard today that Palin first acquired a passport last year. For the first time. Ever. Presumably so that she could go in and out of Canada.
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Post by Natural Scorer on Oct 9, 2008 18:07:08 GMT -5
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Post by Puckhound on Oct 11, 2008 21:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by jeremylh on Oct 13, 2008 7:16:51 GMT -5
I'm personally not happy with either candidate. I am a conservative at heart and will probably vote for McCain because I pretty much don't agree with anything Obama says he's going to do. But, since New York is a blue state and will go to Obama, I may give my support to a third party. (Bob Barr maybe?) But for now, I'll put a notch for McCain for this poll.
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Post by Papercut Suicide on Oct 13, 2008 9:00:31 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can watch "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America" pulpit speech and still insist on voting for Obama. This is the same "Reverend" who officiated Obama's wedding, and who baptized his daughters. It continues to amaze me how Obama has gotten a free pass on his associations (such is the desperation of the media to get him elected). It amazes me even more that McCain refuses to use Obama's associations against him. McCain seems clueless how to run a campaign, and it's going to cost him the election.
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Post by Tomcat on Oct 19, 2008 18:30:02 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can watch "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America" pulpit speech and still insist on voting for Obama. This is the same "Reverend" who officiated Obama's wedding, and who baptized his daughters. It continues to amaze me how Obama has gotten a free pass on his associations (such is the desperation of the media to get him elected). It amazes me even more that McCain refuses to use Obama's associations against him. McCain seems clueless how to run a campaign, and it's going to cost him the election. Americans are brainwashed fools...I am at a loss for words at this point. And the words I do have to explain things with, Mr. and Mrs. Guilt Trip American just can't handle. Remember what the Catholic Church did to guys like Galileo when he tried to to explain irrefutable natural law/phenomina/fact? It's the same way in America. It's why we can't opely discuss this or why we can't discuss why Colin Powel turned trIator and is supporting Obama (yeah, why is that --Really?) Make no mistake where the sh*t will fly (fly fly little birdie Powel) when it hits the fan. It is f ucked up, down, and sideways.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Nov 4, 2008 22:58:31 GMT -5
Obama is currently mopping the floor with McCain right now...its looking like it would take a miracle for McCain to come from behind and win at this point.
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Post by Dethrij on Nov 5, 2008 1:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Nov 5, 2008 10:30:12 GMT -5
big day for the democrats, stealing a ton of seats in the House, and the presidency. Unfortunately, though, a bad day for liberals in CA with Prop 8 passing... it is now constitutionally illegal for same-sex couples to marry in California. A sad day for the progress of our society.
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Post by Dethrij on Nov 5, 2008 17:33:43 GMT -5
big day for the democrats, stealing a ton of seats in the House, and the presidency. Unfortunately, though, a bad day for liberals in CA with Prop 8 passing... it is now constitutionally illegal for same-sex couples to marry in California. A sad day for the progress of our society. (refraining to comment on this)
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Nov 5, 2008 19:19:03 GMT -5
i would love to hear your educated opinion contradicting it
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Post by Dethrij on Nov 5, 2008 23:40:56 GMT -5
i would love to hear your educated opinion contradicting it Dude, I am not going to argue with you. It would be like a Elephant trying to talk to a Jackass...Donkey.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Nov 5, 2008 23:46:56 GMT -5
clever.
listen, if you don't want to debate things, don't post things that include the word 'hate', and don't post just to say you're not going to say anything. It just angers people.
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Post by Dethrij on Nov 6, 2008 0:11:43 GMT -5
Like telling someone the reason i don't like something is going to make them any less angry at me. I don't like Obama because he is Socialist and Gay- marriage is something I don't believe in. ARE YOU ANY LESS ANGRY!!!!! and there's no reason for you to write some long rebuttal because I WON'T read it. Call me ignorant, see if I give a F***!!!!! This thread is not intended to spark political debate.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Nov 6, 2008 0:18:38 GMT -5
it's like listening to Larry Elder.
I do actually feel less angry now, although I think you probably are more angry than before. That's unfortunate. Anyway, the 'Obama is a socialist' argument is a perfectly legitimate one that i've heard a lot, and I'm fine with that. I'm a socialist, too. The gay marriage thing... a lot of people don't believe in it (obviously... 52% of CA doesn't believe in it). I truly believe it's the civil rights movement of our generation, but there were people on both sides of that movement, too.
We're all entitled to our opinions... I just think it's counterproductive toward building a more unified society if we don't share our opinions with others.
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Post by Dethrij on Nov 6, 2008 0:29:32 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity i read your comment. I apologize If I upset anybody.
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Post by Shredded Red on Nov 15, 2008 2:11:58 GMT -5
Someone above mentioned the Rev. Wright situation, and at one point I was a bit perplexed on that issue as well. I can't deny that what he said is a bit odd/wrong, and in bad taste, but what I can point out about that situation is the difference in culture between the black and white church's in this country. Truthfully, and ironically styles of worship may be one of the last great racial divides in this country. I have a friend who studies this, and when that happened he wasn't surprised at all because he see's it all the time in black church's all over the south. The styles and culture of African American church's are just different. He wasn't saying every church was like Obama's, but he said he's come across it before.
There are very few truly bi-racial / multi-cultural church's in this country, and while we know plenty about the "white" church and it's style of worship I wouldn't say I know the first thing about true African American worship because what I know is characterized on TV. So it really isn't surprising that something like that happened when you consider the Rev. Wright situation was the first time a white, and predominantly conservative (not political conservative, but spiritually conservative) media spotlight was shined on a black church with such intensity. It was different, not saying it was appropriate, but extreme by the styles of worship seen in a typical white church. So it looked worse than it actually was because of the difference in cultural standards of worship.
And as for the defeat of Section 8......at one point people thought it was immoral for African Americans to marry as well, not to mention vote.....and all of those assumptions were also based on the bible. My guess is this is only the beginning, and the protests going on right now are only going to continue to spur the same sort of social change that fought against prejudice before, and eventually the change will happen.
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