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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 1, 2008 15:06:07 GMT -5
Was trying to think last night who I hated more...Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. Which gave me the idea to post the 10 athletes I hate the most. This is off the top of my head so I reserve the right to add or delete. Anyone else care to share theirs?
1. Michael Vick 2. Barry Bonds (interchangeable with Clemens) 3. Roger Clemens 4. Kobe Bryant 5. Randy Moss 6. Bryan Marchment 7. Ulf Samuelson 8. Sammy Sosa 9. Bill Lambeer 10. Mike Tyson
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Mar 1, 2008 17:58:25 GMT -5
I grew up idolizing Roger Clemens, so I can't have him on my list. But here goes the rest:
1. Ulf Samuelsson 2. Ruslan Salei 3. Alexei Yashin 4. Barry Bonds 5. Michael Vick 6. Kobe Bryant 7. Alex Rodriguez 8. Eric Lindros 9. Chris Neil 10. Dany Heatley
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 1, 2008 22:53:00 GMT -5
1. Kobe Bryant 2. Chris Simon 3. Eric Lindros 4. Ivan Drago 5. Mike Tyson 6. Jaromir Jagr 7. Maurice Greene 8. Michael Vick 9. Terrell Owens
I can only come up with 8. I'm not a very hateful person.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Mar 2, 2008 0:34:45 GMT -5
oh god how could I omit Tyson from my list? Hes probably my most hated right there next to Samuelsson.
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Post by Tomcat on Mar 2, 2008 1:28:12 GMT -5
That piece of fck Micheal Vick no doubt is the worst. I hope he is, as we speak, Bubba's bitch. And he is getting his rear torn a mile wide in the big house. Other than that, any athlete not in the NHL can be on my list because I hate all sports other than hockey (not included on that list is Barry Sanders, he was cool). Athletes, aside from NHL'ers in general, are premaddonna, spoiled, overpaid garbage IMO.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 1:49:44 GMT -5
i think its ridiculous how much everyone hates michael vick. i mean, i love dogs, and i think its real awful that people make them fight. but at the same time, it's not like he killed a man. in fact, i think that cheating in sports (doping, etc) is worse than dog fighting.
on top of that, the guys been overwhelmingly apologetic for what he did, and has made no big stink about his jailtime or anything.
people like Terrell Owens deserve our hate so much more.
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Post by Tomcat on Mar 2, 2008 10:51:02 GMT -5
How can cheating in a stupid sport be worse than torturing a living , feeling thing. Na it's not like he killed man, what's the biggie! Oh, he was just just hanging dogs by the neck, and electrocuting them. Well, if it makes you feel better, he bet on the dog fights too, so there you go... he's an all around, piece of, hit the trifecta , fck!
Now, as far as Vick, I wouldn't mind seeing "someone" torture him though. Yeah, but he's a man, we can't have that. BULL! I'd want him living and indeed feeling because I'd like to see him chained to a car bumper and dragged down the road to hell: to his exquisitely painful, bloody, bones grinding down the highway, screaming for mercy in while in pure and intense agony, death. Vick is garbage period, and there are many many more in the NFL just like him too.
Appologies: Vick is only sorry his party is over, he's sorry he got busted. Had he not been caught there would be no appologies. Let me guess, he now, like the rest of the prison crowd, has also discoverd his lord and savior--Jesus! Now he and JC can get together and sacrifice a lamb.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 11:07:59 GMT -5
well that was idealistic and borderline offensive.
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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 2, 2008 14:00:57 GMT -5
i think its ridiculous how much everyone hates michael vick. i mean, i love dogs, and i think its real awful that people make them fight. but at the same time, it's not like he killed a man. in fact, i think that cheating in sports (doping, etc) is worse than dog fighting. on top of that, the guys been overwhelmingly apologetic for what he did, and has made no big stink about his jailtime or anything. people like Terrell Owens deserve our hate so much more. Beating, electrocuting and slamming dogs to the ground is worse than cheating in sports? I'm not even sure where to go with that. I forgot about Tyson and Kobe. They belong on my list.
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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 2, 2008 14:04:14 GMT -5
I grew up idolizing Roger Clemens, so I can't have him on my list. But here goes the rest: 1. Ulf Samuelsson 2. Ruslan Salei 3. Alexei Yashin 4. Barry Bonds 5. Michael Vick 6. Kobe Bryant 7. Alex Rodriguez 8. Eric Lindros 9. Chris Neil 10. Dany Heatley How can you hate Dany Heatley?
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 14:59:20 GMT -5
Beating, electrocuting and slamming dogs to the ground is worse than cheating in sports? I'm not even sure where to go with that. Yeah i should probably have chosen my words more wisely. I don't mean that doping is worse than abusing animals. I just mean that if i'm going to hate an athlete, it's more likely going to be because he lied and cheated, not because of a violent hobby he has on the side. in other words, because this thread is called most hated athletes, i've listed people that i hate as athletes, not as people necessarily. it seems to be a common american problem (i don't like using the word problem here) to consider people's other, irrelevant interests. Like with politicians... people often choose politicians based on their home life or spirituality... things like that. I think it's irrelevant, and I choose a politician based on his/her politics. same goes for an athlete. and THAT is why i hate Terrell Owens. He might be an okay guy, but he's a jerk of a sportsman.
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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 2, 2008 15:19:22 GMT -5
Fair enough Zoom. You and I are different in that I don't differentiate whether they're an ass on or off the field/court/rink. If you're an ass, you're an ass. But I do have to take exception with your term "violent hobby". Kick boxing is a violent hobby. Abusing, torturing and killing dogs is a felony not a hobby. And one more thing I'm going to nit pick. You talk about Owens deserving more hate than Vick but Vick is higher on your list
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 15:25:25 GMT -5
eh my list isnt really in order. vick was just because i was stretching for 10, and owens i had forgotten about until that post (notice i just added him).
let's be careful about the judgement we're putting on dogfighters though. remember, in many cultures, animals are not given the same respect as humans. around the world, events like cockfighting, dogfighting, and bullfighting are completely acceptable, and the habit of the West to pamper and humanize our pets is absurd. Granted, Michael Vick doesn't live in one of these cultures, but still. He didn't beat/electrocute/torture dogs just to feel good - he did it so they'd win their fights. Sick, yes, but it's important to be open-minded - just as a general rule.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Mar 2, 2008 19:32:06 GMT -5
i think its ridiculous how much everyone hates michael vick. i mean, i love dogs, and i think its real awful that people make them fight. but at the same time, it's not like he killed a man. in fact, i think that cheating in sports (doping, etc) is worse than dog fighting. on top of that, the guys been overwhelmingly apologetic for what he did, and has made no big stink about his jailtime or anything. people like Terrell Owens deserve our hate so much more. Honestly, Zoom you're my friend and all but I object and disagree completely with these statements. No way in hell gambling in sports or doping worse than dog fighting. Thats just absurd. And who cares if he has been overwhelmingly apologetic for what he did, I mean who really believes its sincere? I don't. One, he wasn't doing it for a couple weeks or some short amount of time. He had been doing it off/on for several years. Two, he lied about it. So we catch him in the lie, sentence him and nows hes all apologetic...of course he is! Only because he was caught though and he was trying to earn some dignity back for himself. So what that it was an NFL quarterback that did it? If it was my next door neighboor I'd be saying the same thing. The guy is the worst kind of sadistic scum on the face of the planet. Terrell Owens is a whinny, lazy full of himself madonna...I know a lot of people like T.O...lol...to me it makes him a very dislikeable athlete and person in general, but no where near the level of Michael Vick in terms of what a horrible human being he is. How can cheating in a stupid sport be worse than torturing a living , feeling thing. Na it's not like he killed man, what's the biggie! Oh, he was just just hanging dogs by the neck, and electrocuting them. Well, if it makes you feel better, he bet on the dog fights too, so there you go... he's an all around, piece of, hit the trifecta , fck! Now, as far as Vick, I wouldn't mind seeing "someone" torture him though. Yeah, but he's a man, we can't have that. BULL! I'd want him living and indeed feeling because I'd like to see him chained to a car bumper and dragged down the road to hell: to his exquisitely painful, bloody, bones grinding down the highway, screaming for mercy in while in pure and intense agony, death. Vick is garbage period, and there are many many more in the NFL just like him too. Appologies: Vick is only sorry his party is over, he's sorry he got busted. Had he not been caught there would be no appologies. Let me guess, he now, like the rest of the prison crowd, has also discoverd his lord and savior--Jesus! Now he and JC can get together and sacrifice a lamb. WHOA WHOA WHOA Tomcat...buddy, its a good thing I know you...lol...try to tone down your descriptions of revenge in the future would ya? I grew up idolizing Roger Clemens, so I can't have him on my list. But here goes the rest: 1. Ulf Samuelsson 2. Ruslan Salei 3. Alexei Yashin 4. Barry Bonds 5. Michael Vick 6. Kobe Bryant 7. Alex Rodriguez 8. Eric Lindros 9. Chris Neil 10. Dany Heatley How can you hate Dany Heatley? Heatley turned his back on the entire Thrashers franchise, their fans and the Atlanta community that rallied around him and supported him when the crash incident that took the life of Dan Snyder occured. He asked to be traded and after everything like I said all the support and everything I thought that was really just the wrong thing to do. Sent the wrong message, like he was trying to run away from what he did type deal I don't know. I used to love the guy but I lost a ton of respect for him I don't think i'll ever have again. There are many, many people from Atlanta who feel the same. eh my list isnt really in order. vick was just because i was stretching for 10, and owens i had forgotten about until that post (notice i just added him). let's be careful about the judgement we're putting on dogfighters though. remember, in many cultures, animals are not given the same respect as humans. around the world, events like cockfighting, dogfighting, and bullfighting are completely acceptable, and the habit of the West to pamper and humanize our pets is absurd. Granted, Michael Vick doesn't live in one of these cultures, but still. He didn't beat/electrocute/torture dogs just to feel good - he did it so they'd win their fights. Sick, yes, but it's important to be open-minded - just as a general rule. Now this is just silly, Zoom. Come on now man, just because in other places what Vick did might be condoned or accepted, doesn't make it right!! I mean I don't have to tell you about how women are treated in some parts of the world do I? Thats just one comparison. And how on earth is "the habit of the west" to pamper and humanize our pets absurd? How is it absurd to treat a living creature with love and respect? Now if you're talking about these people who leave their inheritances to their dogs, and buy a million outfits and stuff like that I can understand that is a little overboard but anyone who abuses/mistreats/tortures/kills animals is sadistic and pathetic. I'm sure thats not what you were saying, but I want to make sure...lol And even besides all that, Vick didn't do that just to feel good, he did it so they'd win their fights? buddy, come on dogfighting is illegal for one, its not like the dogs gather on their own and place bets on each other as to who is going to win...those animals didn't need to be pitted against each other like that...in any culture, its a very sadistic, inhumane thing and its a just absolutely WRONG.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 21:38:20 GMT -5
first of all, the image of a bunch of dogs placing bets on each other is hilarious.
secondly, i'm not saying that our pampering/humanizing of pets is absurd, i'm saying some cultures find it absurd. And yeah, i'm mostly referring to the paris hilton-esque, chihuahua in the purse crap.
third, I'll say again, I absolutely think that dogfighting is horrible and very, very wrong. I'm just an open-minded person and enjoy playing devil's advocate.
fourth, is dogfighting that much different than horse racing, or even using horses to work on farms, pull carriages, and do everything else we've made them do? do you get all up in arms when you see a cowboy spur a horse in an old Western?
fifth, and i'm working backwards here, i seem to be mildly misinformed about the entire Vick situation. I didn't know anything about him lying or any of that, so I stand corrected.
And finally, just so i don't get a reputation around here, i've had pets all my life and absolutely love them. i feed neighborhood cats, take in strays, etc etc. i'm very much an animal person. so don't hate... i just go to the kind of college that teaches me to look at everything from the other side. bad habits.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Mar 2, 2008 22:39:52 GMT -5
first of all, the image of a bunch of dogs placing bets on each other is hilarious. heh i agree ;D Its interesting you say it like that Zoom, because after I read everybod'y's I started talking about this with my friends...one of them brought up a good point which got me thinking: well i eat meat, and they have to slaughter animals to make them into meat for me to eat....so thats definitely interesting when you look at it that way. My reply to that was basically, yeah but its not against the law to eat a cheeseburger...some interesting discussions can come out of all that.... I have this unique stray cat that comes outside my house once a night...its white, with greyish fur blended in and it has the bluest eyes i've ever seen on an animal. Very tough alley type demeanor, he scares all the other strays away...lol I feed him nightly, I call him "Maverick" somehow it just fits the little guy. I love animals especially cats.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 22:42:33 GMT -5
neighborhood/stray cats are so bad ass... people hate cats so often because of their standoffish nature, but i think that just gives them character. they're smart enough to not put all their faith in the person who feeds them.
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Post by RFar9 on Mar 2, 2008 23:00:56 GMT -5
What's with the Ulf Samuelsson hating? Cheap shot artist I take it? I don't blame you, lol, I don't remember much about Ulfie...
Here's my top 10:
1. Barry Bonds 2. Ben Eager 3. Jason Smith 4. Ray Lewis 5. Matt Hasselback 6. Bobby Holik 7. Martin Brodeur 8. Kordell Stewart 9. Rodney Harrison 10. Brad Ference
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Mar 2, 2008 23:35:22 GMT -5
What's with the Ulf Samuelsson hating? Cheap shot artist I take it? I don't blame you, lol, I don't remember much about Ulfie... Here's my top 10: 1. Barry Bonds 2. Ben Eager 3. Jason Smith 4. Ray Lewis 5. Matt Hasselback 6. Bobby Holik 7. Martin Brodeur 8. Kordell Stewart 9. Rodney Harrison 10. Brad Ference Ulf Samuelsson is the guy that is responsible for the injury to Cam Neely that eventually would force him to retire. Thats actually Samuelsson's biggest claim to "infamy." Thats not the only thing though. "Ulfie" as he was often nicknamed, was without a doubt one of hockey's all-time dirtest players, a true cheap shot artist if there ever was one. He would deliver illegal knee on knee hits, and was the king of dirty stick work. Another thing that makes Ulfie so hated many is the fact he rarely would ever drop the gloves, he was also the "king of turtling." Samuelsson was a devasting checker and good solid defensive defenseman, but its all his dirty play and cheap antics, and most of all ending Neely's career that is what he made him so hated.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 2, 2008 23:38:36 GMT -5
matt hasselbeck? really? he's always seemed so nice.
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Post by RFar9 on Mar 3, 2008 0:13:55 GMT -5
With Hasselback for me it started when he won that coin toss in that one playoff game that was in OT and he said into the ref's mic "we want the ball and we're gonna SCORE!" He then threw a game winning pick to the other team, the Packers. My hatred for him has sort of snowballed since then. He is SUCH a cry-baby too, he still cries about the things that happened in super bowl XL but never does he mention the interceptions he threw in the game, what a jerkstore.
What about Kjell Samuelsson, lol?
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 3, 2008 0:20:20 GMT -5
i can't believe Jagr didn't make your list. any self-respecting Pens fan wishes the plague on him.
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Post by RFar9 on Mar 3, 2008 9:54:44 GMT -5
I don't know, I guess I don't hate Jagr all that much, he's a great player.
He's an ass of the ice but he's a heluva player, I guess I always respected his game and I didn't mind that he wanted to leave the Burgh.
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Post by Tomcat on Mar 3, 2008 11:53:07 GMT -5
As an athlete, doping and cheating and gambling are bad/worse because it directly relates to there profession--I see that point. Obviously torturing a dog is million times worse. But I understand the beef about the significance of misdeeds as they relate to one's profession. Speaking of doing one's job, Congress should be coming down on dog fighting, not worrying what some dumb jock is doing--that's a crime in and of itself: pissing away tax dollars on some fool baseball player --that's the sports league's problem. Now as far as Congress... I better not go there...the FBI may show up at my door if I get started.
Yeah Gambit. . .I get fired up on a lot of stuff, but abusing critters is about as low as it gets for me. I live with 6 dogs 2 cats and a rat (i love my little rat), and guppies--that's my family. How about I rephrase my revenge to just letting Vick walk into my house with my foxhound inside--who is a really territorial alpha male--that would be sufficient revenge. He could get a first hand "feel " for his "hobby."
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 3, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -5
yeah! great point tomcat... i completely do not understand why congress, or even police at all, are involved in the whole steroid scandal! completely inappropriate if you ask me.
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Post by RFar9 on Mar 3, 2008 13:39:58 GMT -5
They come down on Steroids because they are illegal drugs; same as cocaine, heroin and all the others. Remember what that wrestler did when he was all hopped up on roids? Yeah...THAT is why law enforcement wants to protect people from these things, among other reasons.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 3, 2008 13:55:59 GMT -5
wait are they really illegal? i thought they were just outlawed in sports, and dangerous, as you point out.
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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 3, 2008 15:47:26 GMT -5
Great conversation here. I’d like to chime in on a few of the comments.
There are some things in life that are just wrong, not matter what. I don’t care if its culturally acceptable in some countries or not. Honor killings, forced sterilizations, abuse of women, torturing of animals for entertainment, etc. These things are wrong no matter if they are “culturally acceptable” in other countries or not. There was a time not too long ago when killing Jews was culturally acceptable in certain countries. And no, I’m not comparing dog fighting to the Holocaust. I’m just using an extreme example to make a point. So I find the “culturally acceptable” argument intellectually dishonest at best.
The whole thing about killing cows and eating them is interesting. I guess I view it this way. Man has been killing and eating animals since the beginning of time. Its what we’ve done to survive. Animals do the same thing. Its part of how this world works. But killing and torturing for entertainment is a different story. Humans are the only ones that do this and I find it disgusting. Killing in a humane way for food I’m down with, but killing and torturing for entertainment I’m not.
Horse racing and horses pulling carts…compared to dog fighting and torturing dogs? I don’t think the ludicrousness of this comparison really needs to be pointed out.
And yes, steroids are illegal without a prescription.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Mar 3, 2008 17:46:52 GMT -5
A couple of responses...
I think you need to acknowledge that what you're labeling as "wrong" is YOUR opinion. Abuse of women, torturing of animals... I'm with you there. But mercy killings; well, we have ideological differences. And, while in this case (the dogfighting case) we are in agreement, it is important to try to understand the other side of the debate, which is what I've done.
Now, I'm a little unsure why you think talking about using horses as work animals is ludicrous. Here we take an animal and train it through abuse and torture (yes) to do something that we could do ourselves. Horse racing I'm okay with, only because I know that the trainers, jockies (jockeys?), and owners are both experts in equine science and horse-lovers. Farmers using horses to pull the plow, not so much.
I'm with you on the vegetarian/vegan situation - killing and eating other animals is an instinct, and we have the right to do it because we're higher on the food chain. It's as simple as that. However, this right does not extend to the abuse of animals - like dogs, or horses.
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Post by Wolfpack on Mar 3, 2008 17:58:31 GMT -5
But mercy killings; well, we have ideological differences. My bad, I meant honor killings.
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