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Post by Tomcat on Jun 13, 2009 14:58:33 GMT -5
www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281761 Now I DO hate Crosby. I loath the sight of this spoiled, pre madonna punk. I seriously hate headhunting, but this guy absolutely needs to be concussed next year. This loss really upsets me now. It didn't bother me too much at first, even though the Wings are a far better team, but now it's killing me that the Pens and Sid teh Squid won the cup. Crosby dissed Zetterberg last year too, not giving credit for Z's great defensive play. Crosby is a punk and a horrible, disgrace of a poster boy for the NHL, but a fitting one for Betman's joke of a league. Per TSN: DETROIT - The Red Wings can accept that Pittsburgh is the Stanley Cup champion. Getting snubbed by Sidney Crosby is another matter. After watching Pittsburgh hoist the Cup on Detroit's ice, the Red Wings lined up to shake hands with the Penguins as is custom in the NHL playoffs. Detroit captain Nicklas Lidstrom was up front, followed by alternate captain Kris Draper, congratulating many of the new champions while waiting for Pittsburgh's captain. "Nick was waiting and waiting, and Crosby didn't come over to shake his hand," Draper told an Associated Press reporter a couple hours later as he was leaving Joe Louis Arena. "That's ridiculous, especially as their captain, and make sure you write that I said that!" It can also be written that Pittsburgh didn't need Crosby to finish off the Red Wings, beating them 2-1 in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals without the superstar healthy enough to play for the whole game. Detroit was bitter about blowing 2-0 and 3-2 leads in the series, but the previous champions gave the Penguins their due. "You've got to give them credit," Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said. Goaltender Chris Osgood agreed. "We're not stunned," he said. "They had a good team." The Red Wings were good, too, just not good enough to overcome hurt or misfiring stars in the finals. They swept Columbus, survived a seven-game series against Anaheim and skated past Chicago in five games as MVP finalist Pavel Datsyuk missed several games with a foot injury and Marian Hossa scoring in just three games. But the Red Wings couldn't hold on to hoist the Cup for the second straight year and fifth time in 12 seasons when Datsyuk was out early in the finals and Hossa mustered only three assists against his former teammates. "Any time you win three games in a final, you have a chance," Babcock said. "We just didn't have enough to get it done. "The guys that were injured on our team this year never got their game back to the level it could be. And they were significant players for us." Hossa wasn't hurt. He was just ineffective. Hossa seemed to crumble in the spotlight after turning down a lucrative, long-term contract last summer to stay with the runner-up Penguins to take a one-season shot at the Cup with the defending champions. Hossa is eligible to be an unrestricted free agent again, but he wasn't ready to talk about his plans. "I can't think about that now," he said. "I'm sure we'll have some talks." The Red Wings will have some interesting decisions to make this off-season because they probably can't keep Hossa along with key free agents such as Jiri Hudler, Mikael Samuelsson, Tomas Kopecky and Ville Leino. Detroit general manager Ken Holland answered some of the franchise's questions during the regular season by signing Henrik Zetterberg to a contract through the 2020-21 season and Johan Franzen to an 11-year contract. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said the deals, which are set up to pay the players much less toward the end of the contracts, don't circumvent the salary cap. "The rules allow what the Red Wings have done," Bettman said during the playoffs. "But if I was running a team, which I'm not, I would opt for shorter-term contracts. "If they keep doing it, some of the contracts will probably turn out to be great and some will lead to people scratching their heads." Zetterberg likes his team's chances of competing for a championship next June and in the years to come. "We still have a good team," Zetterberg said shortly after shaving his two-month thick beard. "It's going to make us stronger. We've got a great group of guys here that are going to be around for a number of years."
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Post by fukufuji on Jun 13, 2009 16:26:38 GMT -5
Winning the cup is pretty emotional I'm sure and after the game with the news crews and cameras were around Clamoring for Crosby it could have been an oversight on his part. I just don't see crosby blowing Lidstrom off like that intentionally. However Babcock tried to talk to him a little bit during the shake and crosby basically turned aways on him in mid sentence and it looked pretty rude to me.
I am happy they won but one of my beefs is they are talented enough to win, but are they really good winners. When things don't go their way they are very unsportsmen like and to hyave created doubt as too their sportsmenship after the game is a real bummer too. It would be nice to see them grow up a bit, but that's just me talking from the arm chair. In the end they won and can do what ever the heck they want lol...
Great game and great playoff this is one of the best post seasons in my memory.
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Post by Tomcat on Jun 13, 2009 16:59:04 GMT -5
I just hate the guy now. He's a rotten, little punk. Didn't the NHL players vote Crosby like 8'th best pr something? I think the players hate this little girl too. He should NOT be the captain of that team. He doesn't deserve it. I hope his knee is messed up and he has to spend the summer rehabbing it.
The Wings blew it, two chances to win, and they scored two whole goals! Way to go Wings! The Wings are much better than the Pens so pisses me off now. Game 7 was a disappointment, the Wings sucked, but the series was good.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Jun 13, 2009 18:04:15 GMT -5
Looking at the other side of this... couldn't this also be construed as the Red Wings being sore losers? Like Fuku said before, I can't really see Crosby snubbing Lidstrom. Zetterberg, maybe... they have on-ice battles all the time. But Crosby has always seemed to respect Lidstrom. He's a 21 year old kid who just won the biggest prize of his life. If he hugged Max Talbot a little too long and didn't get to the line right when Lidstrom wanted him to, does that necessarily mean it was intentional?
Maybe this is Draper looking for something to talk about besides losing the game.
Give me a break... if Crosby was the kind of guy who intentionally snubs people for no reason in the line, wouldn't he have done it last year when they LOST?
This is just a bunch of Crosby-haters jumping on a bandwagon looking for something negative to say. Let the kid have his championship -- he earned it.
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Post by Zipper14 on Jun 14, 2009 10:50:59 GMT -5
While watching the celebration I thought the Wings lined up too early for the handshake. The Penguins had enough time for one big hug as a team and then the Wings were ready to shake. Detroit gave them no time to talk to the media, to their coaches or to their families. I don't know this for sure, but I thought in other years teams were given a lot more time before they had to shake hands.
I'm pretty sure Crosby didn't even know the shake was going on, because he has a ton of media to deal with.
He's also the youngest captain in history, he's gonna act a little irresponsibly.
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Post by Shredded Red on Jun 15, 2009 15:41:01 GMT -5
Excuses all the way around. Regardless of why, Crosby failed to do something that even rotten egg players like Claude Lemieux are capable of doing. (granted Ciccerelli refused to shake Lemieux's hand one year, but he admitted it was because he didn't respect the guy).
Sure he's young and he needs to learn, but are you telling me he's never had to line up to shake hands before he got into the NHL. Sure it's the Stanley Cup, but his other team mates, including Malkin were able to pull this simple act of sportsmanship off without complaint. It's a simple gesture that, wrapped up in the media or not, Crosby was too selfish to be a part of. The NHL is one of the few leagues that still has a handshakes after a playoff series, and as the unofficial face of a league desperate for a face....Crosby needs to be a little more aware of whats going on.
He is a big baby, and a selfish player. I agree that he's kind of a poor captain at the moment because he's young. His temper tantrum throwing during game 5 is a good example of that, but I almost find this kind of unexcuseable.
Consider the players the accusations are coming from. Draper, Lidstrom, and Zetterberg....not exactly poor sports. Lady Bying candidates, Norris trophy winnters. It would be one thing if it were McCarty, Kronwall even, but these are the 3 leaders in Detroit....probably the best sportsman on the entire team, and up there in the league as well. Reports say that Lidstrom stayed on the ice during the Stanley cup celebration....not just the immediate celebration, but while the Pens were skating the cup waiting to congratulate Crosby. I can see where Crosby could have been wrapped up in the moment, but that's not really a good excuse....considering it's just as easy to get wrapped up in the moment of losing too.
I think this is just another example of the type of selfish immature player Crosby is at the moment, and hopefully he'll learn from all of this and not being a sniveling little prick in the future.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Jun 15, 2009 15:58:19 GMT -5
i want to point out a few things...
1) crosby is not a selfish player. I don't know how you can say that. if anything, he's overly selfless... passing when he should shoot, etc.
2) he is too young to be a captain, i agree.
3) crosby was shaking hands 3 minutes and 37 seconds exactly after the final horn. if you re-watch the video, he's on his way over to the line when he realizes that some wings are on their way off. he's clearly concerned about it.
4) last year, the red wings were shaking hands 2 minutes and 12 seconds after the final horn. This year, the penguins were shaking hands 2 minutes and 17 seconds after the final horn.
Honestly, is 3 minutes and 37 seconds too long to wait for a handshake?
also, i haven't seen it, but apparently there's a video taken by a fan that clearly shows lidstrom NOT waiting for crosby. i'll try to get a link to that.
point is, crosby was excited, as any 21 year old kid would be. he forgot his responsibilities as captain, and took a LITTLE too long to get to the line. but is it really fair to say that he "snubbed" lidstrom because he took 3 and a half minutes to get there?
this is poor sportsmanship on the part of the red wings. period.
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Post by Wolfpack on Jun 15, 2009 16:44:01 GMT -5
Those are all great point Zoom. 3 1/2 minutes is nothing when you consider the opposing team just won the Cup. In fact, I would say its poor sportsmanship for those that chose NOT to wait. Also, some comments here that Crosby is a poor captain. His team won the Stanley Cup. Is that not the job of a captain? To lead his team to a championship? He was the best captain in the league this year as far as I'm concerned. 21 or 41, age means nothing. Its results that count.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Jun 15, 2009 16:56:38 GMT -5
when you have a team as young as the penguins... a team that's the clear result of a rebuilding process... you have to expect a pretty young captain. crosby just made sense. the only other guy on the team that may have made more sense was gonchar... but i think as shero looked forward, he didn't necessarily see Gonch being a part of the franchise's long-term future like crosby will be.
was he too young to be a captain? probably. Is he a bit of an immature captain? probably. will he someday be a great one? i think so.
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Post by fukufuji on Jun 15, 2009 19:52:40 GMT -5
I think the whole thing is a bit overblown. Before I get into this I must disclaim this is some constructive criticism about the wings coming from a wings fan. I've grown up in Detroit and watched every season of theirs for about 20 years.
The red wings fans showed a lot of disrespect with the intensity of boos. I thought the city came off as very poor losers. Pittsburg is a great hockey club, there is nothing I would consider overly cheap exchanged between the teams in the last few years. I mean everyone boos bettman but why boo Malkin as con Smyth? Why boo Crosby lifting the cup, the wings fans showed so little respect for a team that was able to come in and outplay a team that will go down in history as one of the greatest ever. As a hockey town its time to throw away the pettiness and celebrate thegame when the cup is presented. Show some class and congratualte a deserving team, a deserving con smyth winner and a deserving capitain. I used to think Detroit was a city that gets it with all our hockey history.
But the final straw, cheering when Crosby gets pinned against the boards and skates off obviously very injured?
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Post by Chiro on Jun 18, 2009 10:37:45 GMT -5
Gotta say that these are exactly the threads that ended my hockey forum participation. I come back at the request of a couple friends and guess what...more BS. I really wish everything would come back to talking about hockey.
I'll try again in a few months...
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Jun 18, 2009 12:05:06 GMT -5
well that could be a going a little too far. if Tomcat had come up with this story on his own, I'd be right there with you. But this was an internationally-reported story courtesy of the morons writing for TSN. only fair that the debate reach a forum.
and hopefully we were able to show the opposing viewpoint here..
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Post by fukufuji on Jun 18, 2009 12:09:52 GMT -5
Gotta say that these are exactly the threads that ended my hockey forum participation. I come back at the request of a couple friends and guess what...more BS. I really wish everything would come back to talking about hockey. I'll try again in a few months... I'd hate to see anyone leave the forum over a thread topic but I am just having a hard time understanding. This story was ran by nearly every major hockey news source. Not saying that alone legitimizes it but still. Its not something I would consider the best or most interesting but Its not like this thread is discussing Scott Neidermyer driving a prius or something like that and on a flame or arguement meter this thread hardly registers
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Post by Chiro on Jun 18, 2009 14:37:47 GMT -5
I apologize, b/c I really didn't mean to make it sound like that. I'm just sick of Sidney Crosby being ridiculed for everything he does. Fact of the matter is, he's not perfect. I don't know anyone that is. Fact of the matter is, he didn't ask to be the NHL's poster boy. Fact of the matter is, here in Pittsburgh we love him and are extremely happy to have him and hope he ends up being a Lemieux by playing his whole career here.
As time crunches and life started decreasing the daily online time I have available, I did gradually stop coming by hockey forums. My statement was born from how it seems like every time I try to pop back in to one, I've got to read a plethora of Crosby bashing. He's not as good as he's supposed to be. He shouldn't wear a 'C'. He's a whiner. He took 41 seconds too long to go shake someone's freakin' hand. Jesus! Anyway, that's where my earlier statement came from. In the end it shouldn't matter b/c like I said, here in Pittsburgh we think he's great!
Now, how's that draft shaping up?!
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Post by Tomcat on Jun 19, 2009 7:14:01 GMT -5
This topic got beaucoup coverage in the hockey media. There were plenty of hockey people discussing it. Also, there are plenty of hockey writers/brodcasters, ect.. that think Crosby is a spoiled punk. So, the story, and my lack of respect for Crosby are legit issues. Crosby is a turn off.
With Crosby, I picture a "silent night" with a manger/mansion, surrounded not by farm animals, but penguins, and with Mario Lemiux, dressed in biblical garb holding a "crying baby" (CROSBY)! And a shining star in the night, and following that star, the Emperor Bonehead Betman... Riding his camel and bearing gifts, the Stanley cup...Traveling so far to see the new born king of the NHL. The whole scenario is a turn off. I resent Crosby (and Betman), players resent him and plenty of hockey people resent him. It's a legit issue/topic.
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Post by fukufuji on Jun 19, 2009 8:20:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately Crosby can still hear you because he only has one stanley cup ring plugging his ear.
I understand he gets under other people's skin. I was a big critic till I watched the pens go through the flyers and caps. Kids got hart and talent out the wazzoo and deserves the spotlight. I think a lot of the hate comes from being an easy target. If you followed his games with a more open viewpoint he would win you over.
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Post by Tomcat on Jun 19, 2009 13:06:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately Crosby can still hear you because he only has one stanley cup ring plugging his ear. LOL, unfortunately, he'll likely have a ring plugging every orifice before it's all done. I hope the Wings can remain the elite team they've been for 15 years and we'll have a great rivalry going. And here's a break away, sure fire score... Pens Vs Wings in the Winter Classic next year! It would really nurture what's looking to be a good rivalry. Of course it won't happen, but it would be huge I think. I hope the Wings and Pens at least play each other next regular season but with the NHL's ridiculous scheduling who knows.
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