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Post by fukufuji on May 17, 2009 21:45:28 GMT -5
Cleveland ABC broadcast the Indian's regular season game over the conference final until 8 min into the 3rd. Indians almost took the game to extra innings where the broadcast would have been totally blacked out. Not cool ABC.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 17, 2009 21:56:55 GMT -5
NBC?
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 8:23:44 GMT -5
Oops, yes NBC. We dont get CBC or TSN here and Versus had the Indy car race. I was able to stream a broadcast off the web though
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 9:03:43 GMT -5
that's very strange... seems like NBC would want the NHL exclusively nation-wide. I'll bet there's some behind-the-scenes politics going on between NBC and WKYC.
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 11:17:05 GMT -5
I sent a complaint to NBC, WKYC, and NHL. I want to log a complaint about yesterday's broadcast. WKYC broadcasted the a regular season Cleveland Indian's game over the Western Conference Finals Playoff between Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks. The baseball season is not even 40 games in and it gets broadcasted over a 3 round hockey playoff? The NHL game did not go on until there were only 12 min left in the 3rd period and that is only because Indians did not take it to extra innings. I would have thought that with the Blue Jackets making the playoffs this year Ohio would broadcast more hockey. Especially involving the team that swept them.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 11:48:10 GMT -5
Ha well done.
Most likely, NBC tried to pressure all of the markets into broadcasting the hockey game, but technically, they don't own the airwaves. It's WKYC who owns the broadcast rights, and technically they can choose to air anything they want. NBC itself only owns the local station in a few major markets (NY, LA, etc.). So if WKYC believes (knows) that more people want to see the baseball game, they technically have every right to air the baseball game. But surely, it pissed NBC off. I'll bet NBC and the NHL will both agree with you... it's WKYC who deserves the criticism.
The good news is that, in the not-so-distant future, stations like WKYC will be a thing of the past. With broadcast becoming obsolete in the digital transition on June 12, there's no reason for NBC to go through this WKYC bullsh*t. So someday, and someday soon, you'll find hockey on NBC no matter where you live.
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 12:34:31 GMT -5
So the digital broadcast obsoletes the local affiliates? I didn't know that.
To be honest the Indians game is more important to people in this area even though it is a 'means nothing' game at this point in their season. But it is a shame none the less esspecially in a state that has an NHL franchise.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 12:41:01 GMT -5
So the digital broadcast obsoletes the local affiliates? I didn't know that. Not exactly, but effectively, yes. because the major networks broadcast a signal feed over the airwaves, it's important that someone, somewhere, picks it up. In each market, that's your local station (WKYC for instance). After the digital transition, there will be no more signal over the air, so no one needs to pick it up. Networks (NBC) will continue to give a feed to stations (WKYC), but they don't have to. In fact, it's more financially logical for them to give the feed directly to a provider (Time Warner Cable) than to go through a station (WKYC). So the stations (WKYC) will continue to offer everything they can in order to keep the network feed (NBC), but eventually it'll get too expensive, and the network (NBC) will go around them. Then those local stations will mostly fold. some may stay on as local news channels and public access, but networks will be the same all across the country (like TNT or ESPN are now).
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 13:19:46 GMT -5
Very interesting, do you work in broadcasting or have an otherwise vested interest. You just strike me as kinda knowledgable on the topic and am curious.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 14:00:17 GMT -5
yeah i work in syndication, which is like the other variable in the whole mix. like a network, we take a show and sell it to a station. which is how i knew WKYC. only difference with syndication is that we'll sell the show to the highest bidder within each market (ABC here, NBC there, CBS somewhere else), while a network is stuck selling it only to its affiliate.
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 14:12:46 GMT -5
Wow that's cool. I remember Star Trek next generation was a syndicated show and did a lot to kick it off as a viable business model. Of course I could be wrong.
I got a response back. Now I feel bad probably ruined their day:
First of all, allow me to apologize. I select my game schedule before NBC lays in their sports schedule. Then, once the network posts its schedule, I have to move whatever games I have placed in what the network considers “non-preemptible” time slots. That greatly limits where I can play the games. Add to that, our Cleveland Browns commitment in August, and I am further limited. So I do the best I can to cover all sports equally. I cover golf, tennis, volleyball, poker, and of course, hockey. I have tried to be very careful in not covering any game that might potentially be a series-winner. I do t apologize though because I know that hockey fans feel very strongly about their sport. But I also have a contractual commitment to the Indians and I have to honor it even if it means I have to cover some hockey. I have repeatedly asked NBC if I could play hockey on Sportstime Ohio , online or move it to another time slot. Their answer is an adamant an “No”! So I try my best to balance all sports. I totally appreciate why you are upset, and again, I apologize.
Program Director WKYC TV3
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 14:33:24 GMT -5
wow... was that Terry Moir? I literally have a big book with the names of all people of importance at every station in the country, haha. i love using it. but it's the 2005 edition.
Anyway, what a nice, sincere response. very impressive. local stations often think very highly of themselves (they're "in the biz" after all).
Star Trek was a paramount syndication, which has since merged with Kingworld to create CBS Television Distribution... my employer. Just last week we were cutting Star Trek: TNG promos in my department... they're trying to hype the re-runs in conjunction with the movie. We also got a shipment of Tribbles... those little bastards are everywhere aroudn the office now.
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 15:01:08 GMT -5
Actully it was Terry Lol. I sent him a nice reply back. I didn't know he was a who's who. Glad the feedback went somewhere.
Tribbles, lol. There is a network here on cable that runs STTNG, I'll try to get the name of it for you.
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Post by Downtown on May 18, 2009 15:49:21 GMT -5
Do you guys seriously think concentration of broadcast ability and power is a good thing?
Do you really think three or four people or groups should control everything you see and hear? I just don't understand people sometimes.
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Post by fukufuji on May 18, 2009 15:53:07 GMT -5
Do you guys seriously think concentration of broadcast ability and power is a good thing? Do you really think three or four people or groups should control everything you see and hear? I just don't understand people sometimes. no, it actually worries me a bit but dont forget cable diversifies the field. Even the news is not fully controlled by the networks any more but the news sources. well that is a different story. By the way, NHL response, Thank you for your email. Please contact your local NBC affiliate in regards to this pre-emption in your area. This is the decision of the NBC affiliate in your area, not the NHL. They should have aired the game on an alternate NBC station in your area. Thanks, NHL TV
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Post by Zoom Waffles on May 18, 2009 16:02:15 GMT -5
Do you guys seriously think concentration of broadcast ability and power is a good thing? Do you really think three or four people or groups should control everything you see and hear? I just don't understand people sometimes. good or not, it's an inevitability. National Amusements, Disney, Time Warner, General Electric... they own us all. But that's just the nature of it. the beauty is in the diversity of their programming, not the diversity of their ownership.
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Post by Zipper14 on May 19, 2009 1:30:39 GMT -5
Crappy situation for you Fuji. I found all of these posts interesting and enlightening though!
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