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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 15, 2008 23:42:49 GMT -5
I think he'll only end up in Vancouver if the Rangers can't clear the cap space for him.
The local news here said the Rangers were looking to sign him to a contract, but they'll have to clear up $5 million in cap space. That sounds like allot, but GMs seem to be able to work wonders with the cap.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 15, 2008 23:44:46 GMT -5
or gomez moves. i still don't see why the rangers would want him unless someone is moving to wing, or someone is being traded. but why would you ever trade a guy like gomez for a guy like sundin?? it's unlikely unless gomez is going to bring in a top top defenseman.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 15, 2008 23:50:42 GMT -5
But Sundin is going to bring a lot more to your hockey club than Scott Gomez ever will...he just doesn't have as many years as Gomez has left in him obviously. I could see something like Gomez to Florida for Bouwmeester.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 15, 2008 23:55:26 GMT -5
you think so? i mean... scotty's not quite a point per game player... a little less. but he's a great playmaker and a good center positionally. and he seems like a fan favorite and a class act. would it really be worth losing him to bring in sundin for one year and get a guy like JB? only if that brings the cup to NY, I suppose. and maybe it could.
naslund-sundin-prucha callahan-drury-korpikoski voros-dubinsky-zherdev
not a bad top 9...
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 16, 2008 0:10:00 GMT -5
I'd definitely take Sundin + Bouwmeester minus Gomez's overpriced salary over Gomez...definitely, anyday and twice on Saturday! I don't know about the class act, or fan favorite part...they were booing him pretty badly every time he touched the puck not too long ago.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 16, 2008 0:19:31 GMT -5
thats true about his contract... he's not even owned in my salary cap league.
would florida be willing to take that on?
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 16, 2008 3:35:22 GMT -5
Hmmm...dunno. Now it seems that although the Rangers will sign Sundin, whoever NYR is moving to clear cap space is heading to Vancouver....remember at the beginning of the season, that Sundin to NYR and Gomez to VAN rumor...maybe thats what ends up happening after all.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 16, 2008 10:51:13 GMT -5
what if the rangers were only signing sundin so that they could trade him to Vancouver? maybe they've been after demitra or something all season, but haven't had enough bait for vancouver... now that they've got sundin, they have the leverage?
conspiracy theories...
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 16, 2008 14:48:05 GMT -5
Denis Potvin from XM radio's hockey show states he believes firmly that Sundin is actually going to end up announcing his retirement after all.
Keep in mind, this is just speculation, but its very interesting...if he did end up retiring, I imagine there will be lots of angry hockey fans out there.
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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 16, 2008 18:05:48 GMT -5
I don't think he'll retire. If he was retiring he would have announced that awhile ago. Though I could see him 'come back,' play a few games and then decide he can't do it anymore. Especially if he comes to Vancouver and realizes the travel schedule is much tougher than he's used to.
As a Canuck fan, I wouldn't want anything the Rangers have to offer in trade. Gomez is a top six forward sure, but he's not the pure sniper the Canucks need. He's more of a cross of Henrik Sedin and Kesler... so I don't know what his role would be. Wellwood and Demitra have both fit nicely into the second line centre role, so they don't necessarily need him there. Though I guess we could have a Wellwood - Gomez - Demitra line, but that means Raymond gets sent to the minors or Pyatt gets waived.
I don't know why the Canucks would make a trade with the Rangers. Sure the Rangers are desperate and the Canucks could get a bargain on someone like Gomez or Prucha. But If the Canucks do deal with the Rangers they don't get Sundin.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 17, 2008 12:45:02 GMT -5
more sources confirming Sundin to NY... people seem pretty sure about it, but nobody's saying how it's going to work. Canucks GM Gillis told the media that the official announcement is coming tomorrow (Thursday). Sundin's Swedish reps earlier told Swedish media that the announcement would be today. I'd trust Gillis's word on this one.
We'll expect the official announcement tomorrow, but I think we'll have an unofficial answer before the end of the day. Stay tuned.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 17, 2008 13:37:20 GMT -5
i heard speculation (not based on anything... just 'what ifs') about Prucha to Pittsburgh to unload some salary... that's interesting. Pittsburgh has plenty of cheap young dmen that might interest NY.
With all signs pointing to NY, it's fun to look at their cap hits and figure out who needs to go. A couple NY beat writers are saying they need to shed about $4 million. Prucha is 1.600, Voros is 1.000...
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 17, 2008 18:51:14 GMT -5
Now rumors are saying that the Avalanche somehow fit into the Sundin situation. good luck figuring that one out...
the first logical thought is that NY would be unloading salaries to Colorado in exchange for prospects/picks, but we're also talking in the IdioLogic thread about how Colorado is trying to pull a Pittsburgh and rebuild from scratch, so that doesn't make any sense.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 17, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
Sundin is a such an attention you-know-what, isn't he?
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 17, 2008 19:56:18 GMT -5
or the NHL's just a bit boring this time of year...
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 17, 2008 20:29:57 GMT -5
I'd love to see what stories are not being reported in order to devote time and attention to the Sundin sweeps...I bet its more interesting, honestly.
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Post by Shredded Red on Dec 17, 2008 21:13:32 GMT -5
Yeah....we could be talking about if Scott Niedermeyer and Selanee will come out of retirement or not.
Or we could start speculating about when Forsberg is going to come back....again, just to get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs....again.
What about Shanahan? When should we start wondering when he'll sign with someone?
I will say one thing if Sundin decides to retire someone should hire a midget to run up and punch him right in the balls during the press conference.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 18, 2008 0:42:50 GMT -5
actually, on a serious note, people are saying that everything else in the league is hinging on this sundin decision... teams are holding off on making any trades or signing anyone based on where sundin ends up. after the holiday break we may see a flurry of activity, including shanahan and forsberg, among other things.
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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 18, 2008 18:20:18 GMT -5
Sundin is a Canuck! www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/12/18/sundin_set_to_sign/It's also on the TSN ticker right now. I'm still trying to not get too excited, because I know it'll take him awhile to gel with the team, but the prospect of him and Demitra on the Canucks second line gives the Canucks the best scoring depth they've had since the mid 90s. I'm not sure what the lines will look like, but someone is heading to the pressbox. I'm guessing things might looks something like this.... Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt Demitra - Sundin - Raymond Burrows - Kesler - Bernier Hordichuk - Wellwood - Brown/Hansen The problem with these lines is Hansen goes from seeing time on the top line to seeing time in the press box, and he has played great lately. Wellwood has been seeing lots of time on the fourth line, but you can't scratch him, he's the second leading scorer. Also, when Johnson comes back, he will get into the lineup because he is such a great penalty killer, but who gets scratched for him?
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Post by kingsfan24 on Dec 18, 2008 18:47:11 GMT -5
Well Sundin joining the Canucks adds a lot of fantasy value to the roster.
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Post by The Hockey Hitman on Dec 18, 2008 18:47:46 GMT -5
Good...he finally made a decision. Now lets get him in the lineup so I can actually use him on my fantasy team. I must admit, I didn't think he was going to sign with Vancouver, no way no how, not after them offering $10 million and him not jumping all over it at first. He weighed his many options and chose the Canucks. I was definitely wrong here, and all those other reports that Sundin had signed with the Rangers were unfounded obviously.
And I imagine it will be Mike Brown who is the odd man out there.
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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 18, 2008 19:41:35 GMT -5
Yea, you would think Brown would be the odd man out, but Vignault keeps finding ways to get Brown into the lineup, and Vignault (or maybe Gillis) seems obsessed with having a tough as nails team this year. The lines for the most part of last night were
Sedin - Sedin - Hansen (Pyatt, Demitra and Wellwood all saw time on this line) Raymond - Demitra - Pyatt (This line was invisible all night) Burrows - Kesler - Bernier (Bernier looks good on the third line, not good for Bernier owners) Hordichuk - Wellwood - Brown (Wellwood gets his points on the first power play unit)
Things get complicated if Hansen stays on the first line. Because Raymond or Pyatt are not bottom six type players, and though Pyatt kills penalties sometimes he's not great at it. So if Hansen sticks then Raymond or Pyatt might be out. But allot will happen between now and when Mats joins the team on the 27th.
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Post by Shredded Red on Dec 18, 2008 22:55:05 GMT -5
The Canucks have quietly built themselves a very solid team. I thought losing Naslund was going to be a huge loss for them, but this team and Boston are surprisingly solid with a lot of unfamiliar players.
Hopefully adding Sundin will only make them stronger. He could be the last piece they need to really make a good run this year.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 19, 2008 0:09:37 GMT -5
i'm just so glad sundin didn't end up in NY. this makes the Rangers look like a VERY beatable team... knock on wood, but if the rangers don't figure stuff out soon, it's going to be a two-team race for the Division title. Anyway you look at it, though, the top 5 in the East are still going to be brutally close (Boston, Montreal, Philly, Pittsburgh, NY), and the West won't be much easier (Detroit, San Jose, Vancouver, Chicago?, Anaheim?).
it's going to be a hell of second half.
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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 19, 2008 14:35:27 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to disagree with the article on the site's main page. Though the media is saying the Sedins will 'continue to play with Demitra,' the Sedins have not played with Demitra very much over the last three games. I would say Demitra has seen 5 minutes of ice time with the Sedin's over that time.
Given that, I would expect to see the Sedin's to roll with anyone but Demitra so that Vignault can set up two dangerous lines. If Demitra plays with Sundin it will give the Canucks two lines featuring both a 40 assist guy and a 30 goal guy.
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 19, 2008 15:12:31 GMT -5
wait what? i think there might be a typo or two in there... sundin vs. sedin... i cant follow it
so you're sayin Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt?Wellwood?Raymond? then Demitra-Sundin-Pyatt?Wellwood?Raymond?
right?
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Post by Zipper14 on Dec 19, 2008 20:36:08 GMT -5
Oh yea sorry, I was in a hurry on that post. Just the first of many Sedin/Sundin mistakes I'm sure. I think the lines will look something like you said Zoom: Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt/Wellwood/Hansen...maybe Bernier Demitra - Sundin - Raymond/Pyatt I think Vignault figures the Sedins score no matter who is on their right wing, so put Demitra with Sundin and you get two dangerous lines. I think this boosts the Sedins' value too, because the top D-pairing might get paired up against Sundin/Demitra. Sorry, I can't stop talking about it. Can you tell I'm excited? I'm glad I got referenced on the main page too! Makes me feel special .
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Post by Zoom Waffles on Dec 20, 2008 13:07:48 GMT -5
okay, hhaa... definitely the first of many sedin/sundin mistakes. i just hope that at some point they play a sedin-sedin-sundin line... just for humor's sake.
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Post by Zipper14 on Jan 5, 2009 23:21:14 GMT -5
Still not sure when Sundin will play, but Jannik Hansen has been sent down to the AHL, presumably to clear room for Sundin. I don't know why they sent him down in particular. He's had a great year and his speed really helps on the forcheck. He's definitely more useful than Jaffery or Bolduc, who don't score, check or bring grit to the lineup.
Sundin might play Wednesday in Edmonton, but we all know how decisive Sundin is... so he's not sure when he'll play. I think it'll be Friday against St. Louis... just because he likes to take his time.
Either way, he had his first full practice with the team today. He skated with Wellwood and Raymond, so it looks like Demitra might be with the twins after all. Pyatt being injured cleared a few things up with the lines. I think they'll look like this:
Sedin - Sedin - Demitra Raymond - Sundin - Wellwood Burrows - Kesler - Bernier Horduchuk - Jaffray - Bolduc/Brown
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Post by Zipper14 on Jan 6, 2009 14:10:26 GMT -5
Small update here: Demitra wasn't at that practice, so Sundin with Wellwood and Raymond was a patchwork line put together at the last minute by Vignault. So don't read too much into those line combos.
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